Singing songs about Jesus

Tany and I are on service leading duty this Sunday. The main responsibilities are getting the service planned, songs, order etc, and then trying to make the whole thing hang together on Sunday evening without saying anything inappropriate. Sometimes this is more difficult than it would appear, for example, in exams at school I always had this temptation to swear very loudly as I turned the exam paper over. Fortunately I didn’t give in to this temptation, but the thought is always there somewhere.

This week’s service planning is made even more interesting by the return of Eddie and Sue to the church. Eddie’s just been made Supreme Intergalactic Ruler of Wycliffe UK (or something like that) so they have had to move to a small village in the middle of pristine English countryside to keep the Christians in order. But, they are still church missionaries (and Christians, I’m pleased to say) and need our support, prayers and love, so they’re back and get to talk to the church about what they’ve been up to. They’re both wonderful friends and I miss having them around, so it’s going to be a good evening and I’m so pleased that I’m leading the service [Tany is too].

What’s this (and shouting out in school exams) got to do with singing songs about Jesus? Well, Eddie has this little frustration with modern worship songs,

The worst worship songs ever
Out of context worship songs
Jesus, I’m not in love with you
A new hymn book
Blokey blokes and worship songs
The song remains the same
Does worship grab you

After his comments it’s really tempting is to pick a whole load of JIMG songs in retaliation. But that could imply that I disagree with Eddie’s comments and I don’t. I’m about 90% behind him in most of what he’s written and the other 10% is probably just cultural or the fact that I can ignore the words if the tune is wonderful (sounds bad I know, but it’s true). The retaliation is instead for the day I was leading singing from the front of church and while someone was making very important announcement (as all church notices are very important) and I was trying to appear small and out of the way (kind of difficult at my size and shape) Eddie pulled a face at me. I don’t know how I didn’t burst into amplified howls of laughter but I couldn’t keep the amusement completely hidden so turned very red and looked quite awkward in front of a lot of people.

This Sunday could be my chance to return the favour.

Focus – Mike Frost’s visit (seminars)

I’ve mentioned often enough that Mike Frost is coming to the UK between 3-11 October 2008 to talk about the future of the church. Well, the update is that the programme and workshop details have been released for the Southampton event [tickets here].

The programme looks like this…

Track 1: Training people to live as exiles – facilitator: Mike Frost
Exilio‘ is a new course based on Mike Frost’s book ‘Exiles: living missionally in a post-Christian culture.’ In this workshop, Mike introduces the course and talks about how you can get the most out of it in your church setting.

Track 2: Mission shaped communities – facilitator: Billy Kennedy
What do missional churches look like in the context of Southampton? Billy Kennedy is Team Leader at New Community Church and has a national leadership and advisory role with 24-7 Prayer and other ministries.

Track 3: Church from scratch – facilitator: Phil Kingsley
What are the encouragements and pitfalls of planting a new missional church? Phil Kingsley is a missional church-planter in Dublin, and is a Europe-wide missional resource strategist for Greater Europe Mission.

Track 4: Get missional or die trying – facilitator: John Ayrton
“What speed bumps do you hit on the road to becoming a more missional church?” John Ayrton Portswood Evangelical Church. Before that he spent twenty years working in international missions with Interserve. is minister of

Track 5: Yes, but… do we have to abandon ‘attractional church’ if we want to be ‘missional’? – Facilitator: John Risbridger
An opportunity for those of us committed to more conventional models of church to explore both what we can learn from, and what may trouble us about ‘missional’ models. John Risbridger is one of the ministers at Above Bar Church, and spent ten years working with students with UCCF
Track 6: Movies for God’s sake – Facilitator: Tony Watkins
The movies give us one of our greatest opportunities to connect with our culture – but how? Tony Watkins is the author of ‘Focus: the art and soul of cinema,’ and is widely known as a writer and speaker on engaging with contemporary culture. He has lost count of how many movies he has watched.

Tickets for the Friday evening and Saturday cost £15 and can be purchased from the Facing the Challenge website.

From the library – Research findings

I’m feeling a bit more level headed today, mostly thanks to getting lots of work done yesterday and a few hours sleep. But, I’m still thinking through the differences of what is measurable in church and what is right.

The positive written feedback I got from people was useful. There was the expected answers of making people feel welcome when they come into church, but there were also comments about developing people personally and spiritually, caring for people in church and also in the community, showing love.

That was the theoretical question, I then asked for examples of good service and bad service. The result of this was lots of examples of people being warmly welcomed when they went to a new church or completely ignored. There were very few responses that looked outside of the building into the community for examples of good or bad service.

Could this mean that there are no examples of church outside of Sunday meetings?

Wearing Sunday best

I know that there are a whole variety of opinions around what to wear to a church service. Some people are still suit and tie, others a little more informal. However, I’m sure few people would decide to wear a crown as part of their Sunday garb. Well, somebody did this morning. An African looking gentleman sat through the service wearing a crown and a very large medallion around his neck. Maybe he was an African king, or just decided that his Sunday suit could do with a little ‘bling’.

I have my doubts that the crown was real gold. He managed to nod in agreement at a few points during the sermon. I doubt he’d have been able to do that if it was solid gold.

What is congregational worship?

I’m the strange one, no really, I am. At church I’m on the rota for singing in the ‘worship band’, I enjoy music and the last time I was given the opportunity for leading the bit of the service called Extended Praise I chose about eight songs back-to-back. However, I don’t think the stuff we sing in church expresses me fully, there are a number of songs that I borderline hate, and quite a few that have been written for people with the ability to sing high notes.

Yesterday in home group we were talking about how our whole lives should be lived in worship to God. It was based on Romans 11:33 – 12:2, where we recognise that God is amazingly worthy of praise, beyond our understanding and because of this we should give our lives as a sacrifice.

Romans 11
33 Oh, how great are God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his ways!

34 For who can know the Lord’s thoughts?
Who knows enough to give him advice?[l]
35 And who has given him so much
that he needs to pay it back?[m]

36 For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever! Amen.

Romans 12
1 And so, dear brothers and sisters,[a] I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice—the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.[b] 2 Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.

Anyway, I ranted a bit about how annoyed I am that worship seems to be the thing that you do within the walls of the church, with special moments when the worship band (a term that I really hate) gets involved. I probably should have kept my mouth shut because we then proceeded to have a conversation based around music in church, which wasn’t really my point.

Two questions that I do have. Are we called to corporate worship? It’s a term that keeps coming up and I just don’t know. I know we’re called to meet together and worship God, but how has that become corporate worship?

Also, does ‘corporate’ mean us all doing the same thing? What I mean is, we all get together and sing, but usually only one person prays. Technically, one person praying would still be worship, which I’m OK about, but why can’t one person sing and we all listen and say ‘amen’ at the end – would that still count as corporate worship? (I don’t necessarily mean the bit about saying ‘amen’ at the end of someone singing – or maybe…)

Is your church a cultural leader?

Scott Hodge has been blogging about Keeping a Pulse on Culture (HT: Eric Bryant).

Scott was responding to a question that said, ‘Our church is in the beginnings of what is going to be a painful change in terms of trying to become more “relevant.” My question for you is how do I “catch up” culturally on a personal level?’

Scott’s answers included suggestions like…

  • Read Blogs
  • Subscribe to some magazines that are in touch with current culture
  • Subscribe to some podcasts
  • Get rid of the PC and buy a Mac
  • Twitter and Facebook
  • Read a lot of books
  • Brows new and most popular music in iTunes
  • Go to some conferences that will stretch and challenge you
  • Visit some churches who are DOING IT!
  • Listen to your son
  • Be yourself

It’s a good list, and there are some added details on his post that are worth plugging into. I took the suggestion to subscribe to some podcasts – American Life has been interesting.

But what I find the most interesting is his last line,

‘But the church’s best days are when we are no longer chasing or imitating culture, but actually shaping it!’

Seeker sensitive

Really interesting video on YouTube about the seeker sensitive church.

HT The Upper Room
Incidentally, it’s worth keeping an eye on The Upper Room. A really interesting place for thought and discussion.

Mike Frost UK Tour

I blogged a couple of days ago about my interview with David Couchman of Focus.

One of the people I really wanted to interview on my world tour was Mike Frost, but he was over in the UK at the time of my trip (such bad planning). Mike’s the Founding Director of the Centre for Evangelism and Global Mission at Morling Theological College in Sydney and Focus are working with the Evangelical Alliance to bring Mike over to the UK on a speaking tour later this year.

There’s a short promo video below. Tickets for the Southampton event are available from the Focus website, where you can also meet me… won’t that be a delight.

Levels of customer service in the church – questionnaire

The holiday got slightly in the way of things, but now I’m back I really must get on and complete my dissertation.

The whole thing revolves around levels of customer service in the church. This is a nice argumentative type of topic for which I really can argue both sides quite convincingly – but just for the sake of getting a degree I need to put all the theological issues to one side and just do it. Therefore, it would be a great help if those of you that attend church on a reasonably regular basis were to follow the link and complete the survey.

Click Here to take survey

It shouldn’t take any longer than 15 minutes to do.

It doesn’t matter what style or denomination of church you are in, all views are equally valid.

I’ll make the findings public on here (all responses will be anonymous) and at a later date will also write my own opinions on the subject. I have had fun internal battles with myself about how businesslike I think the church should be, while also redefining what I think the church is all about. Anyway, that’s for a later date. In the meantime… please help!!!

Oh, and if any of you would be happy to link to this post from your own site, or want to post the URL yourself

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=d_2fh6GTQrLuQvU_2fM7BCV_2bYQ_3d_3d

You can claim your reward from me whenever you’d like.

Sunday in LA

EcclesiaPacific Theatre, Hollywood
So what do you do when in Hollywood? Go to the movies, obvious really. Only my cinema visit was for the morning service at Ecclesia. The church meets in the Pacific Theatre, and old movie house situated on the real end of Hollywood Blvd. I say the real end because Hollywood Blvd is the kind of place where you find every aspect of life.

Just a few blocks from the church is the Kodak Theatre where the Academy Awards are presented every year. Here is where the tourists go, where the street is cleaned and there are museums, attractions and expensive looking clothes stores. Where Ecclesia meet there’s less luxury. There’s an ‘adults only’ store on the other side of the road and the theatre itself is falling into disrepair after suffering structural damage during an earthquake a few years ago. Apparently it’s all OK as long as nobody visits the balcony.

Brandon is an accidental pastor. He was part of the group that formed the church about four years ago, with the idea of appointing a ‘professional’ pastor as soon as possible. After a search that resulted in them almost appointing someone else, God put him in charge.

He now leads the church with a small staff team, and as he talks about in the interview I recorded with him, about how he finds himself spending time on the practicalities of running the church when he would rather be investing the time in people.

Sunday’s, 200+ congregation, was mostly made up of young people. 20’s and 30’s kind of age range. Brandon told me that most work in some aspect of the entertainment industry, as a result the church service is very basic and with not so much show. Ecclesia have made a conscious effort to encourage people to use their gifts during the week and almost to come to church for a break. So the service involved a block of singing at the start, then Brandon preached before we took communion. That was about it. Pretty straightforward really.

MosaicMayan, Downtown LA
Mosaic at the Mayan is completely different. Probably better described as a performance based church. There was the band that played and the dancers that danced, the improv group that did something… there was even a guy at the side when we arrived scratching (I mean with records, not fleas). The whole thing was very slick, very professional, it fitted the environment so well.

The good thing about the band, aside from the quality of the music, was that they had written the material themselves (at least that’s how it appeared). The songs were/are relevant to people living in LA in 2008, presented in a style that fits the culture.

I don’t want you to think this is something negative. People take part in services in very different ways. We’ve been cultured to expect the congregation to take part by singing etc, but what if you don’t like singing? Being able to listen to others do a good job may be more suitable.

It’s not as though they skip the teaching either. Erwin McManus spoke for about 30 minutes before taking some questions at the end, something that they usually do at the 5pm service – I can’t think of the last time I was in a service where the person speaking took open questions at the end. Download the podcast, it’s worth a listen – although, you won’t get the questions session.

I’m meeting Eric Bryant later today, he’s one of the co-pastors at Mosaic, so I may get a better understanding of what goes on at the other services, or ‘gatherings’ as they call them. I think there are about 8 meetings across LA on any given Sunday, plus there’s home groups during the week.

Summary
I like them both. Ecclesia is less of a cultural shift for me. Having been brought up in the church it’s a variation on a theme from what I’m used to. Mosaic, while being completely different, is something I could easily bring a friend to because it’s less of a shift from contemporary culture. My friends will ‘get’ this without any problems.

Neither church better than the other. They are different with different approaches. Isn’t it wonderful that God made us all so different?